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You have to have bad mean people in books to make the hero look good, all books have badies, it what makes the books interesting.

Goth was evil yes i agree with that, but he made the books great, he gave the hero something to do, he made the hero acheive his greatest potential.

You cant help but admire how evil he was and the fact that he just kept going is fantastic, if goth had been killed off in the first book, I dont think Tor would have been as good a hero or person he became.

So go the badies, and bring em on.

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I'm with you Jess......

I so wanted him to suffer the pain and suffering he gave to others.... and I just loved Saxton for what he did - what wonderful justice!!!

Oh dear.. finding the temptation of re-reading the books so overwelming...

must resist, must resist....... There be Dragons awaits (as well as family, work, obligations, eating and sleeping )

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*ignores last comment*

obviously i need my glasses rechecked

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i'll agree that all good books need a really really bad villan who can counter our really really good hero

evil balances the good, so that the hero has something to do yeah i get it yada yada yada

but that doesnt mean we have to like the evil little *#@%, thats why the evil man is there for US to HATE him....

okay i off again......... goth is likable

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the thought of eating at the same table as him

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heheheeh Jess your right you dont have to like him, when i said i liked goth i didnt mean i would invite him to dinner, but he does make the story go somewhere.

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I am sure he has good table manners. Of course depends what artificial substances he has been taking.

Xantia is also one of my faves. I really liked her.

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I have to say that having Goth for dinner would be very interesting, I mean don't you want to know what made him that way, what were his parents like and was he child that was picked on by the bullies in his villiage, you have to have some empathy for him, people are not born evil and yes i realise he was created to be evil, but still you have to wonder.kip">

If people had just been a little more nice to him who knows

*wonders if she should go back to work early*

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If you had Goth to dinner, what would you serve?

Tripe perhaps?

Adios

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I agree offal is a good choice.

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I'd have thought it was an offal choice.

Adios

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DN, those are getting worse and worse, not inspiring a laugh so much as a groan!!!

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I've been dead for a while now, so far I don't like it...

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i agree with LTW.....

*groan*

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...that the shortest distance between two puns is a straight-line. ">

Adios

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*raises eyebrow*

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huh?

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I've been dead for a while now, so far I don't like it...

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I have to say, Goth was the nastiest, most evil piece of evilness I have come across in my time. He had no redeeming qualities at all, and gave everyone reason to detest him. Thus, he was the best villain I've seen.

As has been said on here before, you need a good villain to make the hero look good, and Goth simply oozed evil from every pore. For a mortal to be this nasty, .....

So there you go. Well done Fiona, and keep the good work up ..

Sparhawk From Elenia

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I have to say that was well said lol

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then why are you showing him your pink cheeks....hrug">

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Sparhawk... Goth is nasty and not even a MURGO