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#1 - 19th Jan 2002 15:16:00

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One thing that sticks out to me in a lot of fantasy books is time measurement, specifically minutes and seconds.

Presumably such small sections of time as minutes and seconds can not be measured in most fantasy worlds and therefore there is no concept of them for the characters. To me it is jaring to see a character 'pause for a second before replying', or 'how long will it take?' 'about five minutes'.

Hours seem okay, because they can roughly be judged by the position of the sun and moon and stuff like that, the same for half hours. But anything smaller than that seems out of place in your typical medievil type fantasy setting.

Where is this going? Well, I guess I was wondering what everyone else thinks about it. Are seconds and minutes okay to use, and if yes, just in the narative or in character dialogue as well? Do the characters have to have a time measuring device that is fine enough to measure something so small as a second in order to be aware of it and use it??

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#2 - 20th Jan 2002 15:07:00

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Feet, yards and miles I don't mind. Use them myself. <img src="> And isn't it funny when you mention something is about a yard long to someone under the age of 25 and they just stare at you like you had two heads and ask what the hell does that mean??

Yeah, made up measures are annoying as well. Too hard to work out a comparable length so you know what they're talking about.

For small moments of time I tend to use heartbeats. eg. In the space of a heartbeat he had snatched the gem from its bed of satin... or something like that.

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#3 - 20th Jan 2002 15:14:00

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Funny you should mention this. It bothers me as well. Even hours. And feet and miles. In Lord of the Rings all are referred to I think (the books). I thought it distracting.

I do think making up measures can be distracting as well, trying to understand them and all. Using half days and 'not long' and cute little creative references an author could make up, like 'it should take us no more time than it would to finish off a second pint (which is generally a bit longer time than the first!)'.

Its all sort of comparable to a good western but all the characters have 1970's hairstyles. Its just distracting enough to be annoying. :b


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I think you are hitting the hurdle we have all hit, faced and found a way around. I didn't want to speak in years so I started speaking in seasons. She was just twelve summers old. This for me personally had the appropriate ring. I also made up my own measurement - she knew it was late because the thirteenth bell had already sounded. Makes no real sense but it to the reader (and to this writer) it maintains a sense of time without bringing it into our time. You continue the "feel" of that medieval or fantastical world. Find something which suits you i.e make it up but don't overdo it where people feel they have to keep notes to understand the times frames. For distance I found it easiest on my sensibilities to speak in time. In other words...."Brittelbury is just a two week ride from here" etc. Again, means nothing but the reader keeps that sense of olde worlde. I think days and nights work fine. So you could say, Hatten Town was a two day walk away. Hours and minutes. Yes, tricky. Hours still work but you might be best off creating your own clock (i.e. the bells I use) or fall back on the other tried and trusted....e.g.midday, noon, dusk, twilight, dawn and so on. For seconds...your idea for heartbeats is spot on...as is moments, etc.

Oh yes, the other measurement I used was moons. I'd say for example....it had been four moons since they had married. Now to most that means months but it sounds so much more appropriate in my medieval style setting.

Don't feel overwhelmed. Every fantasy writer I promise has reached this juncture and found their most comfortable way around it. You will too. F